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Post by DavidRojas on Apr 15, 2004 16:37:20 GMT -5
I posted this thread on two other message boards and both times, it received less-than-enthusiastic receptions.  Perhaps this time it might garner more than two responses... hint hint... What is your opinion on gay "marriage"? Should it be completely outlawed in the Constitution? Should there be an amendment like the one proposed by Orrin Hatch ("Civil marriage shall be defined in each state by the legislature or the citizens thereof. Nothing in this Constitution shall be construed to require that marriage or its benefits be extended to any union other than that of a man and a woman.") to prevent renegade judges and mayor from defining marriage themselves? Or...? Another thing I wonder is how exactly to argue against gay "marriage"? If you were to argue against it, would you take an explicitly biblical standpoint ("it was originally ordained by God as between one man and one woman") or a more secular conservative one ("it's been tradition for thousands of years")? Or perhaps you're for gay "marriage"... If so, please explain your reasoning.  |
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Post by ToriTelfer on Apr 15, 2004 17:04:06 GMT -5
Another thing I wonder is how exactly to argue against gay "marriage"? If you were to argue against it, would you take an explicitly biblical standpoint ("it was originally ordained by God as between one man and one woman") or a more secular conservative one ("it's been tradition for thousands of years")? yeah, i've been wondering the same thing too. i know when you're defending Christianity, you shouldn't step outside the Bible to defend it from a neutral standpoint because you're arguing on the non-christian flow, if you will. is it the same with gay marriage? if you happen to be arguing with a gay person, they probably won't accept "The bible says it's wrong." And the 'tradition' argument isn't very stong. Change is a good thing! And anyway, Sodom and Gomorrah had gay marriages, or at least gay people. The state of being homosexual isn't an invention of the 20th century. so...what to do? Not accepting people is the one unforgivable sin in America today. I know what my stance is on gay marriage.....*"marriage", but i don't know how to defend it. Sorry, David, I don't think I helped your thread along at all.  |
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Post by DavidDinsmore on Apr 16, 2004 11:40:42 GMT -5
I think one big motivator for this whole movement to make gay marriages have the same legal standing as normal marriages, is the consciences of the gays. Gays in this country have been able to do all the gross gay things they want, so why would they care about having a special legal status to do those things? I think that the biggest reason is that they want to justify what they do. I think many of them want to justify it with themselves as much as with the rest of the country. How else could you explain why gays are so into being married when the source of the concept of marriage ,the Bible, is what they have always been radically against (at least they would have to be against the Bibles teaching about marriage to be gay). Their idea might be that if they can call themselves married in the respectable way people normally are married, then it will justify the fact that they are a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Their aim seems to be to get every one to approve of their life styles, not to get permission to live that life style.
This theory of mine may not be true for all gays, but I think it could apply to some gays. If gay marriage becomes widely accepted in this country I wonder how long it will be until people will be pushing for marriage to mean more than just two people getting married. There will be whole parties of people getting married together; whole married communities. At that point there is really no value in a marriage. Once the Biblical view of marriage is abandoned anything can happen. It might help the argument against gay marriage to point out that unless marriage is specifically for a man and a woman the way it has always been, there is really no point in having marriage at all. Not to mention all the social problems that gays have caused and will continue to cause.
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Apr 24, 2004 8:21:21 GMT -5
The way to argue depends apon who you are debating with. If a Christian, BIBLE ROCKS! If not, you are just wasting your time. Tradition, the point of marriage, etc are what you should use then.
And I think it should banned through a Federal Constitutional amendment.
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Post by HeatherZupancic on Apr 25, 2004 13:52:21 GMT -5
The way to argue depends apon who you are debating with. If a Christian, BIBLE ROCKS! If not, you are just wasting your time. That is so true, Mary! Another thing you could argue is about the health risks of the homosexual lifestyle. Why would we want to promote a "marriage" that would mean health problems? Also, the primary reason to marry is to have children. While homosexuals could be allowed to adopt, it has been proven that children are psychologically and emotionally healthier if they have both a mother and a father. When I argue against gay "marriage", I tend to take a more secular stand. While the main reason I believe that homosexuality is wrong is because the Bible says so, most people (even Christians!) don't believe that this is true. My personal view is that as Christians we must love the sinner and hate the sin. If we don't take a stand now, who knows where we will end up? |
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Post by RaceWright on Apr 25, 2004 15:45:58 GMT -5
The argument for homosexual marriages is one of civil liberties, how homosexual people are denied their rights.
Well quite honestly I don't see which rights are being denied to homosexual people, they have the exact same rights in marriage as heterosexual people do, for a man to marry a woman, and a woman to marry a man. They aren't being denied rights that other people have, yet no one seems to understand this.
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Post by JoshSlone on Apr 25, 2004 21:02:57 GMT -5
I belive that it should be banned thorough a US Constitutional Amendment for all time. Currently Kansas voters are goign to tbe deciding whether to bann it or not in their state. (yay!!! hope and pray that it passess!!!) As for arguing against it, it is not a good idea to argue ONLY from the CHristian stand point, remember, most people arent christians, so, why would they listen to CHristian reasoning?
Above all things, let us hope and pray that these gay people would realize what they are doing is wrong and that they would come to know Jesus Christ.
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Post by JonathanDinsmore on Apr 28, 2004 9:46:20 GMT -5
I belive that it should be banned thorough a US Constitutional Amendment for all time. Currently Kansas voters are goign to tbe deciding whether to bann it or not in their state. (yay!!! hope and pray that it passess!!!) Alcohol was banned starting the prohibition but that amendment was amended. So this might not be as permanent as it should be. |
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Post by wowposter on Nov 14, 2008 1:08:03 GMT -5
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