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Post by RaceWright on Sept 26, 2003 14:22:12 GMT -5
How do you guys feel dinosaurs fit in with Genisis and what "modern" scientists are saying? is one true, and the other false, or are they both true?
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Sept 27, 2003 23:13:45 GMT -5
I am an old earth creationist, and I belive dinosars existed.
What do you mean by "modern scientists" for curiosity's sake?
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Post by RaceWright on Sept 28, 2003 12:44:31 GMT -5
How would you define old?
I think they existed too, if anyone doesn't think that then they have to explain away dinosaur fossils which are pretty tangible.
When I say modern scientists I mean it is then sense of the general consensus of scientists, this century, which is of course an evolutionist perspective.
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Post by RaceWright on Sept 28, 2003 12:46:03 GMT -5
I am a young earth creationist, essencially I believe that God created the world in six literal days, and this happened about 6,500 years ago.
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Post by DavidRojas on Sept 29, 2003 19:58:29 GMT -5
How do you guys feel dinosaurs fit in with Genisis and what "modern" scientists are saying? is one true, and the other false, or are they both true? Just out of curiosity, how would dinosaurs NOT fit into the Genesis record? In my opinion, it would be kind of pathetic to believe they do not exist. (For the record, I am a young earth creationist; however I am not against those who are old earth creationists, because I don't know enough about the topic to be fully convicted one way or the other.)
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Sept 29, 2003 21:38:53 GMT -5
Old Earth creationists are those who believe that God created the earth a few billion years ago. We do NOT believe in evolution, and some Old Earth creationists believe in litteral 6 day creation, whereas others believe that the 6 days were God's days, "a day is like a thousand years to Him, and a thousand years like one day." I tend to lean towards the second belief. Dinosars in Creation the way figuritive(sp?) creationists believe is this: God created the universe and the earth, and then the animals. Dinosars were among them, and they were around for a while. Then somehow they died out, about the time God created humans. There are different theories about how the dinos died, my belief is that large meteors struck the earth and kicked up enough dust to cloud up the skies, blocking out the sun. Earth became cold, to cold for the reptiles that the dinosars were. They died out. That of course is just my belief, and you may believe what you think is correct.
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Post by DavidRojas on Sept 29, 2003 21:50:13 GMT -5
Another belief is the drastic climate change brought about by the flood caused the dinosaurs and other creatures to die out. In Job, there are references to creatures (leviathan and behemoth), and while they could be referencing to the crocodile and hippo as has been suggested by some, it is also quite plausible that those were dinosaurs.
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Post by StephenColbert on Oct 1, 2003 18:07:11 GMT -5
Another belief is the drastic climate change brought about by the flood caused the dinosaurs and other creatures to die out. In Job, there are references to creatures (leviathan and behemoth), and while they could be referencing to the crocodile and hippo as has been suggested by some, it is also quite plausible that those were dinosaurs. I agree with tat, tere was supposedly a mist layer around the earth that kept everything moist, and after the flood it was gone also about what mary said about six days could be equal to a billion years or whatever, but why does it matter if nothing was aging untill after adam and eve sinned?
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Oct 13, 2003 10:50:17 GMT -5
In Job, there are references to creatures (leviathan and behemoth), and while they could be referencing to the crocodile and hippo as has been suggested by some, it is also quite plausible that those were dinosaurs. That may very well be so, David, but in Job, there is a reference to a phoenix (the mythical bird) as well, and we KNOW they didn't exist!
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Post by DavidRojas on Oct 13, 2003 13:01:25 GMT -5
That may very well be so, David, but in Job, there is a reference to a phoenix (the mythical bird) as well, and we KNOW they didn't exist! Do you happen to have the location of that passage? I don't remember reading about a phoenix in Job...
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Post by StephenColbert on Oct 13, 2003 17:25:11 GMT -5
what has a tail of a cedar and is very very big (not a elephant or hippo, or crocodile) sonds a lot like a dinosaur. also the laviathon is believed to be a dragon like thing. there are lizards that spit fire. and reptiles don't stop growing so... people (and animals) lived a long time (seveeral hundred years) thats a long time to get big
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Post by JasonPensa on Oct 14, 2003 0:24:26 GMT -5
That may very well be so, David, but in Job, there is a reference to a phoenix (the mythical bird) as well, and we KNOW they didn't exist! In all due respect, Mary... we cannot know that we know something, unless we have thourghly, utterly and exhaustively explored everything. When men determine that they can come to a conclusion about something just because they have not found evidence for it, is hardly a conclusive and well thought decision. I'm not saying this bird does exsist, as in fact I have no clue where in Job it is mentioned. One thing I do know: God is all knowing. He has infinate knowledge. Therefore I will trust His word, before I trust the word finite men who do not know that they know everything, simply because they think they know it all... men as a whole are very arogent in their speculations about the universe. Oh and I am a 6 day creationist (literal days). I believe the earth is about 6,000 years old. I believe that the Bible is to be taken literaly. It is the Word of God. Albeit, translation from the orginal language hasn't helped... In all due respect... His Servant, Jason
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Oct 14, 2003 12:13:12 GMT -5
Jason, The phoenix was a mythical bird that after living for centuries burned itself up and "remade" itself out of teh ashes. It was a "magical " bird, and it couldn't have possibly existed. After all, there is no magic. btw, I'll look up the passage that says "phoenix" and post it!
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Post by MarySchuhriemen on Oct 14, 2003 12:15:07 GMT -5
there are lizards that spit fire. where? What? huh? you mean now or back then?
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Post by DavidRojas on Oct 14, 2003 15:22:20 GMT -5
Jason, The phoenix was a mythical bird that after living for centuries burned itself up and "remade" itself out of teh ashes. It was a "magical " bird, and it couldn't have possibly existed. After all, there is no magic. btw, I'll look up the passage that says "phoenix" and post it! The only place in the Bible that has the word "phoenix" is in Acts, and it is referring to a location. Jason, the phoenix never existed. Perhaps a similar beast did exist, but not with the attributes given to the phoenix by myth.
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